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		<title>By: Wacka</title>
		<link>http://pathfindersoftware.com/2006/10/openlaszlo_cons/#comment-5983</link>
		<dc:creator>Wacka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are Flex people doing here ???? Openlaszlo is intended for real programmer, not for some timeline drag-and-droping people...only my 2 cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are Flex people doing here ???? Openlaszlo is intended for real programmer, not for some timeline drag-and-droping people&#8230;only my 2 cents</p>
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		<title>By: mcroque</title>
		<link>http://pathfindersoftware.com/2006/10/openlaszlo_cons/#comment-5982</link>
		<dc:creator>mcroque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stuck
so true... at least the part where Openlaszlo forums seem to be full of &quot;dead ends&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stuck<br />
so true&#8230; at least the part where Openlaszlo forums seem to be full of &#8220;dead ends&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stuck</title>
		<link>http://pathfindersoftware.com/2006/10/openlaszlo_cons/#comment-5981</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...The OpenLaszlo development forums are also filled with helpful people who are always willing to help you figure out how to do something if you get stuck....&quot;

Correction:
&quot;The Openlaszlo development forums are filled with people who are stuck.&quot;

That sums up the Openlaszlo forums.  The OLZ team rarely (if at all) visits and/or responds to posts in the forum and seems to only be concerned with their paying customers.  They want the opensource badge, but aren&#039;t willing to put in the community effort.  What they&#039;re really after is free development and testing by the opensource community.

Sorry, but until they clean up their act, olz is a dead technology.  Stick with Flex - backed by a major.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;The OpenLaszlo development forums are also filled with helpful people who are always willing to help you figure out how to do something if you get stuck&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correction:<br />
&#8220;The Openlaszlo development forums are filled with people who are stuck.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sums up the Openlaszlo forums.  The OLZ team rarely (if at all) visits and/or responds to posts in the forum and seems to only be concerned with their paying customers.  They want the opensource badge, but aren&#8217;t willing to put in the community effort.  What they&#8217;re really after is free development and testing by the opensource community.</p>
<p>Sorry, but until they clean up their act, olz is a dead technology.  Stick with Flex &#8211; backed by a major.</p>
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		<title>By: consideredharmful</title>
		<link>http://pathfindersoftware.com/2006/10/openlaszlo_cons/#comment-5980</link>
		<dc:creator>consideredharmful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;OpenLaszlo considered harmful&#039; considered harmful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;OpenLaszlo considered harmful&#8217; considered harmful</p>
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		<title>By: J. Adam Moore</title>
		<link>http://pathfindersoftware.com/2006/10/openlaszlo_cons/#comment-5979</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Adam Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck OpenLaszlo. And fuck your shitty site for requiring JavaScript. Asshole. Just fucking deleted my whole comment. You are all fucking idiots. There, that about sums up what you would have thought of my lost comment. Dickweed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck OpenLaszlo. And fuck your shitty site for requiring JavaScript. Asshole. Just fucking deleted my whole comment. You are all fucking idiots. There, that about sums up what you would have thought of my lost comment. Dickweed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://pathfindersoftware.com/2006/10/openlaszlo_cons/#comment-5978</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have been developing a complex application in OpenLaslo for the past year. Prior to this we tried other platforms, PHP, Flash, AJAX, none of these could do what we wanted to, namely make a web application that behaved like a regular non-web application. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, maybe it could be done with Flash but as a developer who has had experience with programming languages (object-oriented, procedural, scripting) I found the way Flash programming worked to be very disorienting since it was geared towards events and frames occurring on a time-line rather than objects interacting of procedures being called. Maybe flash is intuitive for a person who does animations and films but being a programmer with none of that type of experience I was not one of those people.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OpenLaszlo like any language has its advantages and disadvantages. It seems to be good ad doing everything that standard web languages (HTML, JavaScript, PHP, ASP, etc.) are not good at doing. However, it takes some getting used to, many of the things taken care of automatically by HTML have to be specifically programmed in OpenLaszlo. The language is a little counter-intuitive sometimes at first but once you have spent a couple of weeks developing with it you start to learn how to go about doing things in it and then it becomes a powerful way to do many of the things in a web application that you&#039;ve always wanted to do but had never been able to do. The OpenLaszlo syntax is far simpler than programming Java GUIs or Flash applications in my opinion. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The OpenLaszlo development forums are also filled with helpful people who are always willing to help you figure out how to do something if you get stuck.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve never tried Flex since it was not Free at the time I started my OpenLaszlo project so I can&#039;t compare the two.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been developing a complex application in OpenLaslo for the past year. Prior to this we tried other platforms, PHP, Flash, AJAX, none of these could do what we wanted to, namely make a web application that behaved like a regular non-web application. </p>
<p>Now, maybe it could be done with Flash but as a developer who has had experience with programming languages (object-oriented, procedural, scripting) I found the way Flash programming worked to be very disorienting since it was geared towards events and frames occurring on a time-line rather than objects interacting of procedures being called. Maybe flash is intuitive for a person who does animations and films but being a programmer with none of that type of experience I was not one of those people.</p>
<p>OpenLaszlo like any language has its advantages and disadvantages. It seems to be good ad doing everything that standard web languages (HTML, JavaScript, PHP, ASP, etc.) are not good at doing. However, it takes some getting used to, many of the things taken care of automatically by HTML have to be specifically programmed in OpenLaszlo. The language is a little counter-intuitive sometimes at first but once you have spent a couple of weeks developing with it you start to learn how to go about doing things in it and then it becomes a powerful way to do many of the things in a web application that you&#8217;ve always wanted to do but had never been able to do. The OpenLaszlo syntax is far simpler than programming Java GUIs or Flash applications in my opinion. </p>
<p>The OpenLaszlo development forums are also filled with helpful people who are always willing to help you figure out how to do something if you get stuck.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never tried Flex since it was not Free at the time I started my OpenLaszlo project so I can&#8217;t compare the two.</p>
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		<title>By: ton_boy66</title>
		<link>http://pathfindersoftware.com/2006/10/openlaszlo_cons/#comment-5977</link>
		<dc:creator>ton_boy66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;estou ajuntando um pessoal ai para compartilhar arquivos e resolvi criar um &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/openlaszo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://groups.google.com/group/openlaszo&quot;&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;   Para ajuntar um material e dicussões e compartilhar conhecimento, para melhor desenvolvermos. Espero o Apoio de vc quem for la para participar do grupo é so me enviar um e-mail  :arrow:  ton_boy66@hotmail.com &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;       Tanto que ja disponibilizei um material em &quot;português&quot; é claro&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;   Obrigado Pela Atenção de Todos&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>estou ajuntando um pessoal ai para compartilhar arquivos e resolvi criar um </p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/openlaszo" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/openlaszo" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/openlaszo</a>&#8220;  
</p>
<p>   Para ajuntar um material e dicussões e compartilhar conhecimento, para melhor desenvolvermos. Espero o Apoio de vc quem for la para participar do grupo é so me enviar um e-mail  <img src='http://pathfindersoftware.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_arrow.gif' alt=':arrow:' class='wp-smiley' />   <a href="mailto:ton_boy66@hotmail.com">ton_boy66@hotmail.com</a> </p>
<p>       Tanto que ja disponibilizei um material em &#8220;português&#8221; é claro</p>
<p>   Obrigado Pela Atenção de Todos</p>
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		<title>By: ton_boy66</title>
		<link>http://pathfindersoftware.com/2006/10/openlaszlo_cons/#comment-5976</link>
		<dc:creator>ton_boy66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;estou ajuntando um pessoal ai para compartilhar arquivos e resolvi criar um &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/openlaszo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://groups.google.com/group/openlaszo&quot;&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;   Para ajuntar um material e dicussões e compartilhar conhecimento, para melhor desenvolvermos. Espero o Apoio de vc quem for la para participar do grupo é so me enviar um e-mail  :arrow:  ton_boy66@hotmail.com &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;       Tanto que ja disponibilizei um material em &quot;português&quot; é claro&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;   Obrigado Pela Atenção de Todos&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>estou ajuntando um pessoal ai para compartilhar arquivos e resolvi criar um </p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/openlaszo" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/openlaszo" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/openlaszo</a>&#8220;  
</p>
<p>   Para ajuntar um material e dicussões e compartilhar conhecimento, para melhor desenvolvermos. Espero o Apoio de vc quem for la para participar do grupo é so me enviar um e-mail  <img src='http://pathfindersoftware.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_arrow.gif' alt=':arrow:' class='wp-smiley' />   <a href="mailto:ton_boy66@hotmail.com">ton_boy66@hotmail.com</a> </p>
<p>       Tanto que ja disponibilizei um material em &#8220;português&#8221; é claro</p>
<p>   Obrigado Pela Atenção de Todos</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Lam</title>
		<link>http://pathfindersoftware.com/2006/10/openlaszlo_cons/#comment-5975</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Lam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First I found openlaszlo a fun and approachable environment and have been using it since it&#039;s first releases. I don&#039;t do much actionscript or javascript but openlaszlo&#039;s xml syntax makes exploring those other core languages a lot easier. When I heard flex was to be free I began looking at the code and example applications and felt immediately not at home with this other syntax for coding, perhaps it&#039;s what they code flex code, found it cryptic and another learning curve I would to go through, an investment I wasn&#039;t sure would pay. From the start laszlo is not intimidating is very organic in it&#039;s nature as you code small applications into larger more complex systems. Anyway, that&#039;s my 2 cents...it&#039;s fun and I&#039;m only limited by my imagination not encumbered by some rigid coding scheme. I need to spend more time with Flex to know where the flex is in that product. But that would take time away from laszlo :o))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>First I found openlaszlo a fun and approachable environment and have been using it since it&#8217;s first releases. I don&#8217;t do much actionscript or javascript but openlaszlo&#8217;s xml syntax makes exploring those other core languages a lot easier. When I heard flex was to be free I began looking at the code and example applications and felt immediately not at home with this other syntax for coding, perhaps it&#8217;s what they code flex code, found it cryptic and another learning curve I would to go through, an investment I wasn&#8217;t sure would pay. From the start laszlo is not intimidating is very organic in it&#8217;s nature as you code small applications into larger more complex systems. Anyway, that&#8217;s my 2 cents&#8230;it&#8217;s fun and I&#8217;m only limited by my imagination not encumbered by some rigid coding scheme. I need to spend more time with Flex to know where the flex is in that product. But that would take time away from laszlo <img src='http://pathfindersoftware.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> ))</p>
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		<title>By: levan</title>
		<link>http://pathfindersoftware.com/2006/10/openlaszlo_cons/#comment-5974</link>
		<dc:creator>levan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;P.S &quot;DOJO considered harmful&quot;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S &#8220;DOJO considered harmful&#8221;</p>
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