Comments on: Ajax Turkeys for 2007 http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/ The Fastest Way to Launch Successful Software Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:36:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: zmang http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/#comment-7357 zmang Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:56:26 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=192#comment-7357 <p>Are you out of your mind??? <br /> There's not a single web framework out there that comes close to the ease of use of ThinWire. It took me less than an hour to setup ThinWire in eclipse and get a webapp into tomcat. A similar webapp (just a little more than a hello world, with rpc) with GWT had me going through programming conventions and hoops I wouldn't foster on my enemy. </p> <p>My only concern is that ThinWire might go the way of Betamax - great technology - not enough marketing. </p> <p>I guess any press is good press - so "thanks" for the negative and completely inaccurate review of ThinWire. </p> <p>And by the way - we use ThinWire in a production application that was originally a swing application - the entire app took us 3 staff months to migrate to the web. Were it not for ThinWire, it would have taken over 8 staff months to do the same with any of the other frameworks we had evaluated - struts, tapestry, gwt are some on that list. </p> <p>ThinWire definitely could be improved and enhanced (comet support, EXT support, reduce chattiness over lower bandwidth, etc.)</p> <p>Kudos to a well thought out framework. <br /> </p> Are you out of your mind???
There’s not a single web framework out there that comes close to the ease of use of ThinWire. It took me less than an hour to setup ThinWire in eclipse and get a webapp into tomcat. A similar webapp (just a little more than a hello world, with rpc) with GWT had me going through programming conventions and hoops I wouldn’t foster on my enemy.

My only concern is that ThinWire might go the way of Betamax – great technology – not enough marketing.

I guess any press is good press – so “thanks” for the negative and completely inaccurate review of ThinWire.

And by the way – we use ThinWire in a production application that was originally a swing application – the entire app took us 3 staff months to migrate to the web. Were it not for ThinWire, it would have taken over 8 staff months to do the same with any of the other frameworks we had evaluated – struts, tapestry, gwt are some on that list.

ThinWire definitely could be improved and enhanced (comet support, EXT support, reduce chattiness over lower bandwidth, etc.)

Kudos to a well thought out framework.

]]> By: owen http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/#comment-7356 owen Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:49:39 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=192#comment-7356 <p>Thinwire does not need to absolute position for the widgets! We built our app by specifing little to none x y co-ords. You use TableLayout's, like a web page:</p> <p>cell, cell, row, row - in that cell i want a label, in the next cell i want a textfield...... </p> Thinwire does not need to absolute position for the widgets! We built our app by specifing little to none x y co-ords. You use TableLayout’s, like a web page:

cell, cell, row, row – in that cell i want a label, in the next cell i want a textfield……

]]> By: owen http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/#comment-7355 owen Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:43:38 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=192#comment-7355 <p>ThinWire is a fantastic framework, you've totally missed the point! With Thinwire we have managed to build a complex browser ui using just Java - no coding of jsps, css, javascript, html, struts, et al (the productivity killers). It would have taken longer (albeit very difficult) to build the same app using just html. </p> <p>It took 2 developers just 2 weeks to build the entire gui... i estimate it would have taken at least twice that using struts/tiles. And with Thinwire we end up with a windows like application interface - perfect for business applications.</p> <p>I can't believe you would label Thinwire a Turkey. You really should do a little more research before being so publically judgmental.</p> ThinWire is a fantastic framework, you’ve totally missed the point! With Thinwire we have managed to build a complex browser ui using just Java – no coding of jsps, css, javascript, html, struts, et al (the productivity killers). It would have taken longer (albeit very difficult) to build the same app using just html.

It took 2 developers just 2 weeks to build the entire gui… i estimate it would have taken at least twice that using struts/tiles. And with Thinwire we end up with a windows like application interface – perfect for business applications.

I can’t believe you would label Thinwire a Turkey. You really should do a little more research before being so publically judgmental.

]]> By: Sohail Mirza http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/#comment-7354 Sohail Mirza Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:11:17 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=192#comment-7354 <p>I've been using GMail 2.0 since the day it was announced, and it's run fantastic for me.</p> <p>I use it on Windows XP (Firefox 2.0.0.9) and in Ubuntu (Firefox 2.0.0.8 & Firefox 3.0b2), and it's been a significantly speedier experience for me.</p> I’ve been using GMail 2.0 since the day it was announced, and it’s run fantastic for me.

I use it on Windows XP (Firefox 2.0.0.9) and in Ubuntu (Firefox 2.0.0.8 & Firefox 3.0b2), and it’s been a significantly speedier experience for me.

]]> By: j-w-f http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/#comment-7353 j-w-f Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:48:22 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=192#comment-7353 <p>ThinWire a productivity killer - I ported a Java Swing application to ThinWire in 6 months that contained 25k lines of source code and never once used absolute positioning. I guess I missed the chapter that says I needed to calculate height and width of every widget when I selected this framework.<br /> </p> ThinWire a productivity killer – I ported a Java Swing application to ThinWire in 6 months that contained 25k lines of source code and never once used absolute positioning. I guess I missed the chapter that says I needed to calculate height and width of every widget when I selected this framework.

]]> By: Joshua Gertzen http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/#comment-7352 Joshua Gertzen Fri, 23 Nov 2007 04:00:59 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=192#comment-7352 <p>I mean seriously? You're putting our little framework in the same category as ECMAScript 4 and Vista? I mean, I'm somewhat flattered and yet not sure what to think. In any case, please read up on the framework's you bash in the future. We strongly encourage developers to use one of our layout managers (TableLayout or SplitLayout). Our use of absolute positioning is no different then how Visual Basic, Delphi, Swing and other RAD environments use absolute positioning. It's just a dependable foundation on top of which many sophisticated layout systems can be built.</p> I mean seriously? You’re putting our little framework in the same category as ECMAScript 4 and Vista? I mean, I’m somewhat flattered and yet not sure what to think. In any case, please read up on the framework’s you bash in the future. We strongly encourage developers to use one of our layout managers (TableLayout or SplitLayout). Our use of absolute positioning is no different then how Visual Basic, Delphi, Swing and other RAD environments use absolute positioning. It’s just a dependable foundation on top of which many sophisticated layout systems can be built.

]]> By: Ted Howard http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/#comment-7351 Ted Howard Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:44:54 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=192#comment-7351 <p>Yeah, ThinWire is such a productivity killer. I mean, sure it allows the developer to only work with one technology and in one language, and it completely manages the communication, and state maintenance is retardedly simple, it has a rich set of widgets, but dear God it uses absolute position, therefore it is completely unusable. Yes, that is a very logical and well stated position.</p> Yeah, ThinWire is such a productivity killer. I mean, sure it allows the developer to only work with one technology and in one language, and it completely manages the communication, and state maintenance is retardedly simple, it has a rich set of widgets, but dear God it uses absolute position, therefore it is completely unusable. Yes, that is a very logical and well stated position.

]]> By: HeavyWeightGeek http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/#comment-7350 HeavyWeightGeek Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:24:02 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=192#comment-7350 <p>Happy turkey day Americans, seriously though JavaScript 2. Or is that getting fattened for next years roasting?</p> Happy turkey day Americans, seriously though JavaScript 2. Or is that getting fattened for next years roasting?

]]> By: Ray http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/#comment-7349 Ray Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:14:23 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=192#comment-7349 <p>M O O T O O L S ! <br /> still better than porn (lots of)!</p> M O O T O O L S !
still better than porn (lots of)!

]]> By: Tyler http://pathfindersoftware.com/2007/11/ajax-turkeys-fo/#comment-7348 Tyler Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:46:32 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=192#comment-7348 <p>RON PAUL IS GR... WAIT! I MEAN MOOTOOLS ROCKS!</p> RON PAUL IS GR… WAIT! I MEAN MOOTOOLS ROCKS!

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