Comments on: To Mock Or Not To Mock http://pathfindersoftware.com/2009/07/to-mock-or-not-to-mock/ The Fastest Way to Launch Successful Software Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:36:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Agile Ajax » A Real Testing Example » Pathfinder Development http://pathfindersoftware.com/2009/07/to-mock-or-not-to-mock/#comment-9647 Agile Ajax » A Real Testing Example » Pathfinder Development Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:36:12 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=3220#comment-9647 [...] sort-of promised in last week’s post, I’m going to work through a real-world test example, with an eye toward explaining how and [...] [...] sort-of promised in last week’s post, I’m going to work through a real-world test example, with an eye toward explaining how and [...]

]]> By: Franz See http://pathfindersoftware.com/2009/07/to-mock-or-not-to-mock/#comment-9646 Franz See Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:01:18 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=3220#comment-9646 I am starting to dislike mocking as well due to the brittleness of the resulting test. I am starting to lean towards creating fakes instead of setting mocked expectations. I find that the tests I create with this is less brittle and much cleaner. However, I still find that behavior verification can sometimes still be the way. Although I can currently trying to use spies instead for the same reason. Cheers, Franz I am starting to dislike mocking as well due to the brittleness of the resulting test.

I am starting to lean towards creating fakes instead of setting mocked expectations. I find that the tests I create with this is less brittle and much cleaner.

However, I still find that behavior verification can sometimes still be the way. Although I can currently trying to use spies instead for the same reason.

Cheers,
Franz

]]> By: Pramatr http://pathfindersoftware.com/2009/07/to-mock-or-not-to-mock/#comment-9645 Pramatr Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:20:33 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=3220#comment-9645 I've had a similar love/hate relationship with mocks. There are plenty of scary looking tests that I've found on my travels that seem to suggest I'm not the only one that wasn't sure if it was right or not. #3 on your list sounds just like the issues that were clearly visible, tests failing when something internally changes. Should the tests really care about this? These days I still use them, but they are very much along the same lines you describe. Good post! [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us '0 which is not a hashcash value. I’ve had a similar love/hate relationship with mocks. There are plenty of scary looking tests that I’ve found on my travels that seem to suggest I’m not the only one that wasn’t sure if it was right or not. #3 on your list sounds just like the issues that were clearly visible, tests failing when something internally changes. Should the tests really care about this? These days I still use them, but they are very much along the same lines you describe. Good post!

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]]> By: Eric Davis http://pathfindersoftware.com/2009/07/to-mock-or-not-to-mock/#comment-9644 Eric Davis Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:14:10 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=3220#comment-9644 I've a heavy mocker (all 2.5 reasons) but I've also been bitten a lot when mocking out the different layers. I've been doing a lot of integration tests lately with no mocking, which makes things a bit easier to maintain. The thing I like about mocking layers, is that I can test a wide range of inputs to a method easily (behavioral). I’ve a heavy mocker (all 2.5 reasons) but I’ve also been bitten a lot when mocking out the different layers. I’ve been doing a lot of integration tests lately with no mocking, which makes things a bit easier to maintain.

The thing I like about mocking layers, is that I can test a wide range of inputs to a method easily (behavioral).

]]> By: Ennuyer.net » Blog Archive » Rails Reading backlog http://pathfindersoftware.com/2009/07/to-mock-or-not-to-mock/#comment-9643 Ennuyer.net » Blog Archive » Rails Reading backlog Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:20:51 +0000 http://www.pathf.com/blogs/?p=3220#comment-9643 [...] Agile Ajax » To Mock Or Not To Mock » Pathfinder Development [...] [...] Agile Ajax » To Mock Or Not To Mock » Pathfinder Development [...]

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